ZetaTalk: sci.astro debates: Re: LONG ELLIPSE ORBITS

Re: LONG ELLIPSE ORBITS

Article: <5fhksp$1bq@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com>
From: saquo@ix.netcom.com(Nancy )
Subject: Re: LONG ELLIPSE ORBITS
Date: 4 Mar 1997 17:07:37 GMT

In article: <188@starlight.win-uk.net> Terry writes:
>>> Does NASA know that the Voyager and Pioneer probes are
>>> travelling in straight lines out of the Solar System ..
>>> tplatt@starlight.win-uk.net (Terence Christopher Platt)
>
>>This is depicted in Astronomy magazine, November 1986, on
>> pages 8-9, an article written by Charles E Kolhase, then
>> manager of the Voyager Missions Planning Office at JPL.
>> His diagrams clearly show that these probes fly in
>> STRAIGHT LINES between the encounters they are
>> programmed to make.
>> saquo@ix.netcom.com
>
> You seem to be saying that the Sun's gravitation finishes
> totally at some pre-determined distance, .. Unless the probe
> is on a trajectory DIRECTLY away from the Sun (not the
> case here) it will experience a gentle pull at an angle to its
> direction of travel and slowly accelerate sideways, deviating
> from a straight line (also slowing down in its motion away
> from the Sun). ... The accuracy of diagrams in any publication
> is subject tothe enthusiasm of the person drawing them and
> not to be taken at face value.
> tplatt@starlight.win-uk.net (Terence Platt)

Are you saying Charles Kolhase, who managed the Voyager Missions Planning Office at JPL, drew a sloppy diagram because he was enthusiastic? Go read the article, as your aspersions don't fit at all! Regarding why planets orbit and probes do not, there is a lot more to why orbits are assumed by planets than simple gravity and momentum. Below, an existing ZetaTalk on this matter. Another existing ZetaTalk that applies is Retrograde Orbit, which I'll post next.

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ZetaTalk: Planet Revolutions

The slow motion of planets around the Sun has long puzzled mankind, who are acutely aware that without continuing impetus to motion, motion stops. Only in dead space, where no gravitational attraction or repulsion forces exist, does motion continue without impetus. Motion without a continuing impetus is eroded by gravitational influences nearby, as in the case of an object thrown upward which slows gradually until turning to plummet to Earth. Children learn with a ball on the end of a string that standing still results in the ball dropping to the ground, as only the continued impetus of their arm throwing the ball away and up from them keeps the ball in motion in an orbit. This same pattern is apparent in satellites sent aloft to circle the Earth, as they are in a slow plummet and eventually plunge to Earth.

What keeps the planets, perpetually, the same distance from the Sun and their motion around the Sun at the same pace?

Understanding only part of the phenomena, and unable to admit they do not understand, humans have engaged in elaborate mathematical descriptions of the motion they observe, but descriptions do not suffice as an explanation. The explanation eludes modern astronomers and physicists because they are considering only some of the factors, and are no further along on the matter of motion than their counterparts in the middle ages. To best understand motion, mankind should throw out all prior arguments and look upon the matter with the clear eyes of a child.

If a planet is slowly orbiting a massive Sun, but does not drift into it, then obviously there is a repulsion force as well as the gravitational attraction humans are so painfully familiar with. We have described this force as the Repulsion Force, and though mankind is not specifically aware of it from their long history on the face of the planet Earth, this does not mean that this force does not exist.

If a planet is continuing in a steady orbit, without any impetus such as the propulsion humans find necessary to keep their probes and satellites from drifting off the path they are set upon, then something is either steadily pulling or pushing the planet to maintain its orbit in the face of all other influences. The influence of the orbiting planets upon each other would otherwise, over time, alter the orbits dramatically. Why would they not? Each time a given planet lined up with the massive Jupiter, and was perturbed to speed up or slow down due to this influence, unless there were another influence this perturbed planet would remain in motion a bit slower or faster, perpetually.

If the planets resume their motion around the Sun after being perturbed by each other, then the impetus setting them in motion is not inherent in the planets as an influence upon each other. A planet slowed by the influence of Jupiter behind its path would not speed up again to resume its steady pace unless this other impetus existed.

This other impetus, which does exist, has the same basis as the magnetic alignment of the Earth and her Sun. This influence reaches beyond the Solar System, and dictates motion within the Sun not visible to mankind but nevertheless present. Just as the core of the Earth revolves at a speed dictated by the thickness of the Earth's liquid core, to chase away from or toward magnetic influences that exist in the Solar System, just so the Sun's core rotates, dragging her children around her like baubles on the ends of her apron strings.