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Article: <5hgl3d$mm6@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>
From: saquo@ix.netcom.com(Nancy )
Subject: Re: IN SYMPATHY to the Hale-Bopp Cooperative
Date: 28 Mar 1997 14:37:33 GMT
In article <5gsted$dku@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Lamont Granquist writes:
> Nancy's claim is based on the orbital elements of the
> Mar 13 1997 epoch changing between the 5/28/96 and
> 6/27/96 orbital predictions:
>
> 5/28: e 0.995038361
> 6/27: e 0.995072729
>
> The effect on the Mar 16th 1997 prediction is to move the
> RA/DEC:
>
> 5/28: 1997 Mar 16 23 10 54.55 +43 29 05.4
> 6/27>
> Indeed this is a change of 2' in the prediction for Mar 16,
> compared to a stated 1-sigma uncertainty of 30" for this
> epoch in the 5/28/96 ephemeris, but: ...
> lamontg@nospam.washington.edu
Thank you for confirming my observations, which I was LED to observe by the Zetas.
In article <5gsted$dku@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Lamont Granquist writes:
> The shift between the two ephemerides might be due to
> experimental error, might be due to the comet outgassing,
> but certainly isn't due to some nefarious scheme by NASA
> lamontg@nospam.washington.edu
(Begin ZetaTalk[TM])
You are speculating about all the possibilities, but you KNOW it wasn't a scheme by
NASA? How do you KNOW? Why don't you ask JPL why they had the orbit leap away
from Jupiter? Are you saying they make errors? A leap 3 arc minutes AWAY from Jupiter,
toward the outside of the orbit that had been plotted, would have WIDENED the
eccentricity, not tightened it! This would not only be an experimental error, it would be a
CONTRADICTION!
This was NOT a real comet being tracked at that time and place, but was a paper orbit in
the sky attempting to line up with a comet the Hubble had discovered and the NEAT
program tracked. Oops, the original calculations on its eccentricity were wrong, ergo the
need to adjust the paper orbit for what was being called Hale-Bopp at that time, a track
across the sky joining a nova and the comet you see now.
(End ZetaTalk[TM])
In article <5gsted$dku@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Lamont Granquist writes:
> Had we known *exactly* where HB was in all the observations
> up until 5/28/96 ...
> lamontg@nospam.washington.edu
(Begin ZetaTalk[TM])
Well they DID! They said so themselves! Per the 936 observations they had up through
May 25, 1996 going into the May 28 Orbital Elements, and then again per 1008
observations up through June 23, 1996 going into the June 27 Orbital Elements! An
increase of 72 observations for the month! Per David Tholen these observations are on
record should folks wish to look them up. And plenty occurred during the time in question!
Had they thought anyone would be looking they wouldn't have DARED make this
manipulation. However, we, the Zetas, were off the boards since the 1995 holiday season,
and they felt safe! Little did they know that we had advised our emissary, Nancy, to attend
to other matters and let some time pass, as a watched pot would not boil, as you say. We
left, it boiled, but it wasn't unwatched!
(End ZetaTalk[TM])