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Article: <5hglqn$46e@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>
From: saquo@ix.netcom.com(Nancy )
Subject: Re: Nancy and DejaNews
Date: 28 Mar 1997 14:49:59 GMT
In article <5gsbhm$av2@news.Hawaii.Edu> David Tholen writes:
>> Huge size and fragmenting out past Jupiter,
>> saquo@ix.netcom.com
>
> What evidence to you have for fragmentation out past Jupiter?
> Or are you simply referring to the act of outgassing?
> tholen@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu
I'll quote from a couple postings made a month ago on this subject, during debates with Jim Scotti.
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Article: <5egnlt$jvj@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com>
>> When a comet is at a distance of 14 AU, the surface
>> temperature of the dark nucleus will be between 74 and
>> 88 degrees Kelvin already. CO and several other
>> volatiles, including CO2, H2CO, and H2S have
>> sublimation temperatures below these temperatures and
>> are able to drive a distant cometary outburst.
>> jscotti@LPL.Arizona.EDU (Jim Scotti)
>
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> And whatever happened to all that outgassing when the
> so-called comet passed the Sun, rounding the Sun, and still
> presumably warming from all this closeness to the Sun,
> came back for a second pass? Do we see huge clouds of
> those volatiles now? We see NO CLOUDS OF VOLATILES.
Analogy: Child is brought to kindergarten, 7 foot tall, 350 lb., spouting 7 languages. The teacher is amazed but told this is just an exceptional child. Child is brought back next year to first grade, 4 foot tall, 80 lb., and barely speaking broken English. The teacher looks at the records and asks how a child could have shrunk and gone retarded in just a year, when the opposite is supposed to happen! At the very least, they retain their height and weight and intellectual development. Parent says
Now, what's wrong with this picture?
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In article: <5ee4qj$mvl@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com>
>> ISSUE 3: The supposed fragmentation that the Hale-Bopp
>> fraud was undergoing in late 1995, causing chunks of the
>> nucleus to break off, has now stopped. Is this the way
>> fragmenting comets behave? Out past Jupiter they outgas
>> and fragment and when close to the sun, stop this activity?
>> Isn't this backward?
>>
>> ISSUE 4: Why doesn't the supposed fragmented chunk of the
>> nucleus ever separate? In fact, the description of what was
>> supposed to be the Hale-Bopp comet in1995 perfectly fits the
>> description of a nova, with the rapid expansion and then quick
>> fading, the swirling pinwheels and all.
>
> I have yet to see really good evidence of a real fragmentation
> event, though I have seen signs of ejections of knots of debris
> that are probably unbound clumps of debris blown off in some
> event on the nucleus - not uncommon behavior for active comets.
> Any real fragments will slowly separate from the comet and
> may eventually fade from visibility. There are many well
> observed examples of cometary fragmentation, such as with
> comet P/Machholz 2 a couple years ago as well as comet West
> more than 20 years ago amongst many others.
> jscotti@LPL.Arizona.EDU (Jim Scotti)
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You're dancing all around this issue, without addressing it! "Unbound clumps of debris"?
Where was this debris just before it separated from the so-called comet? Unbound? Did it
arrive at the point just outside the Solar System, just waiting to lift and waft off? This is as
unlikely as dust on the back of a high speed trail suddenly deciding to waft off in thick
masses as the train approached the train station in view of the masses.
Comets to indeed fragment when they have been reduced over time such that the ice
holding their parts together weakens under the heat of the Sun, causing a breakup.
However, the pattern IN ALL CASES is that the closer the comet gets to the Sun, the more
fragmentation occurs. What has been touted for Hale-Bopp is the extreme opposite of that
scenario! Fragmentation out where the Sun does NOT warm comets, with all this activity
settling down to the point of disappearing as the so-called comet passes the Sun, TWICE!
Not only unlikely, Not only unheard of, not even possible!
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